Colon Snake wrote: Top Hat Zebra wrote:The US does things like that, too, but at least we don't go in and annex the place, or ignore international law.
I disagree.
The U.S. has been ignoring international and domestic law and making shit up since the Gulf of Tonkin. The U.S. has a gritty little history of ignoring international and domestic law; they have flown
UAVs over neutral territory, they have
raided and
assassinated, and planned to assassinate,
while completely ignoring the justice system and they have
falsely imprisoned and tortured innocent people. There's this
shit and all those other fucked up intelligence programs in the name of "national security". The U.S. government accused an entire race of people of "terrorism" and started the biggest witch hunt in recent history; that is borderline genocide.
The U.S. is the biggest bully in the world right now, look at all that shit happening with Israel and Iran and the Middle East. I'm not surprised that countries like Iran are pushing for nuclear weapons. If there was a kid on my block that didn't like me and he had a gun, I'd sure want a gun too.
I am super paranoid about international war but I could not care less about this little China-Japan conflict. I don't think anything will come of it. In a month everyone will have forgotten about it. The recent Yeonpyeong conflict was much worse and nothing came from that immediately. I think the most imminent war is the war between the U.S. and Iran and I would not be surprised if it happened next year.
As for the U.S. not being as tyrannical as China, well, it looks like a pretty marginal difference from over here. I'm thinking of a country that can get away with abducting, torturing or killing its citizens, infringing on privacy rights at every turn, even attempting to restrict internet access, and it's sure not bloody China.
Top Hat Zebra wrote:Of course not. Communisim has nothing to do with their government being horrible and awful.
The way you phrase your sentences makes it sound differently.
Top Hat Zebra wrote:Well, yes, but the thing is, normally, roits, and protests are not common in China. Because China is, to put it nicely, a horrible, communist tyrany that does not like free-speech. Also, their flag is pretty.
If Communism has nothing to do with your opinion then you shouldn't tag it in to your argument or people will assume it is part of your argument. If I say "Hitler is a moustached menace" then people are going to assume I've got something against moustaches.
Alright, for one thing, the United States did NOT accuse Muslims of terrorism. We accused certain militant groups of Muslims as terrorists. People are simply too stupid to tell the difference. If we had gone against some hypothetical Australian terrorist organization, you can bet your ass most Americans would hate all Australians, because they're ignorant. Same goes for basically any country, ever.
I agree, that business in the Middle East is ridiculous. Most people want it to be over, but unfortunately, the government has a good (For it) reason to be over there (Probably money.) So, it probably won't end anytime soon.
The difference between that, and China, though, is that we are not going over there and annexing other countries. We're not conquering. Were China in our position, all of the Middle East would be Chinese land, because that is simply how China does it. The United States government is full of business men. They're not interested in adding new states to the Union. They are interested in money. Yes, they will kill, sometimes innocent, people to get it.
The United States is one of the most free countries in the world. Im not sure if you've ever been here or not, but if you haven't, your sources are misleading. First of all, basically nothing is censored in the US. Compared to China, where basically everything is. Second, the United States cannot get away with killing or torturing or abducting it's citizens. Im not saying it doesn't do those things, but if it gets caught doing them, it will be in a shitload of trouble. The "Targeted Killing" thing is hardly illegal. It's a response to Illegal combatants who refuse to reside by the Geneva Convention. There is not enough evidence either way to say if it is illegal, for most of it is classified. As it should be, because it is a military operation. China....
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if China
operated like a Traid. But there's simply not enough information to know. China's as locked up as the USSR was.
As a matter of fact, I've never been there, but from what I can tell, Australia is far more controlling than the US.
Im not saying the US is innocent. Far from it. We're filled with coniving, terrible people, who are willing to kill anyone they have to. But the United States is by far a better bully than China. It's the difference between a bully who steals your lunch money, and the bully who steals your girlfriend and then makes you give him rides like a pony. The US is after money. China sees itself as racially superior to other nations, and has it's eyes on reclaiming it's previous power.
Besides, the US is an ally of Australia. China is not.
As to your other point, I assume you mean the recent bombardment of Yeonpyeong, right? That's not the same. North and South Korea have been openly opposing each other since, what, the fifties? China and Japan have not. THey don't like each other, but they're not fighting. Yet.
But besides that point, Japan and, especially, China, are huge world players. China has the second largest economy in the world, and Japan.... Well, simply look around and see how many things you own that come from Japanese companies. (That were probably made in China, for that matter.) Japan is a close ally of the US, and Russia and China are extremely close. Russia does not like the United States, and Im sure they would join the Chinese in a war against us.
Iran, on the other hand, would have no chance against the United States (And the rest of it's Allies, were it to go to war.) Especially with the Embargo right now. If Iran is stupid enough to declare war, then it will simply be giving us what we want. An excuse.
I do not like Communist nations.. There has never been a Communist society that wasn't terrible. It works on paper, but not in real life. That said, I have nothing against Communisim in itself. I don't think the system is bad, it's simply how people are using the system. But yes, I would say it is part of the problem of China, but has nothing to do with why it's terrible.
We call Nazi Germany "Fascist" all the time, but that has nothing to do with why it was bad. It's simply an adjective to describe it.